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What did they do to hurt you?

Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:04 PM EST
politics, president-obama, liberals, compassion, social-justice, ideals
By M.Barrett Miller
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Written by Lawrence O'Donnell when he was writing for "West Wing."
These words seem to hit a cord for those who attack this President, who is not traditionally liberal, and those who ask for a better better country though acceptance, assistance, compassion, empathy, equity and respect, real respect for those that don't have the unreal lives of those so unbelievably distant from the challenges of the majority- 

"What did liberals do that was so offensive to the Republican party? I'll tell you what they did. 
Liberals got women the right to vote. 
Liberals got African-Americans the right to vote. 
Liberals created Social Security and lifted millions of elderly people out of poverty. 
Liberals ended segregation.
Liberals passed the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act. 
Liberals created Medicare. 
Liberals passed the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act. 
What did conservatives do? 
They opposed them on every one of those things ­ every one. So when you try to hurl that label at my feet, 'Liberal,' as if it were something to be ashamed of, something dirty, something to run away from, it won't work, Senator. Because I will pick up that label and I will wear it as a badge of honor."

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greg81082-4115372

There is no negative connotation of the word liberal in any dictionary. The term is used as a perjorative by the right. The real term should be "progressive" because liberals have tended to be more advanced at governing. Conservatives have shown that keeping things the way they are will not work.

Nixon is an example of a progressive conservative republican while bringing the EPA and the end of Viet Nam to fruition...Yeah, that's right..Nixon. Today's GOP would Dick a communist.

  • 3 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:27 PM EST
Dog_Blue

Progressive? No the correct term for a progressive is a regressive. The illogic of the liberal mind defies a rational explanation. How else can you explain the fact that the liberal can't do simple arithmetic as in balancing a check book.

  • 3 votes
#1.1 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:46 PM EST
Silvaria

How else can you explain the fact that the liberal can't do simple arithmetic as in balancing a check book.

I don't suppose you want to supply any evidence that all liberals can't do simple arithmetic or balance their checkbooks..?

  • 5 votes
#1.2 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:08 PM EST
UNA_Lion

Our nation's political leadership can't.

  • 3 votes
#1.3 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:39 PM EST
paxildog

This is an interesting link to which party can rejoice over the most Americans killed because of their politics.

http://www.mapsofwar.com/ind/american-wars.html

Thought that since there are so many ill thinking that democrats are so wonderful compared to republicans. They both suck.

  • 3 votes
#1.4 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:20 PM EST
Michelle-340891

Dog_Blue, UNA: Really?

I know I'm just spitting into the wind on this, but would you care to explain then why it's the GOTP who have grown our deficit the most?

http://home.adelphi.edu/sbloch/deficits.html

Guess it's not just liberals who can't "balance a checkbook." I'll not hold my breath waiting for an "explanation" (i.e., an EXCUSE).

  • 1 vote
#1.5 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:40 PM EST
Susan Anthony

Dog_Blue -- don't you have somewhere else to be, what a waste.

    #1.6 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:02 AM EST
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    hugh b

    What an interesting seed and perspective.

    It is polarizing and as such I question its veracity. I only say that because I do not know what the conditions were, with regards to congress, that allowed the success of the liberal agenda.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm left of center, but as with any discussion the truth is somewhere between what both sides understand about the circumstances.

    As I see it you have a capitalist society that wants to believe that success happens solely based on the talents of the individual. Which any rational person realizes is not true.

    Then you have the people on the other end of the spectrum that have come to believe that the government should take care of them in perpetuity.

    The never ending struggle is where do any of us, or all of us, want our country to sit on that spectrum.

    The resolution will never be found. The nature of mankind is to be constantly in turmoil and at odds with one another.

    one of my most favorite sayings, 'the facts, though relevant, will have no bearing on our decisions

      Reply#2 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:36 PM EST
      Dog_Blue

      Your post is the quintessential liberal cop out. Your statement that successful individuals are not successful because of their own talents is meaningless. I mean really! What!!!

      This statement is from the perspective of the many that are too lazy to succeed. Such as the academics who can't cope with the real world.

      • 2 votes
      #2.1 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:50 PM EST
      JmetheSad

      Your statement that successful individuals are not successful because of their own talents is meaningless.

      Doesn't seem that was what was said. The qualifier 'solely' is quite important. There may be 2 people of the same intelligence, same schooling, same determination and motivation to excel in their field, but one may have a stronger familial network that could provide them with a faster/better foot in the door than the other leading to a far more successful career than the other. Or perhaps the economy crashes and one has a more stable support group to help them get back on their feet faster, while the other has lacks support or obligations that deter their own success despite the fact that they have the capabilities and desire to work toward cultivating their successful career.

      The belief that anyone/everyone makes it completely on their own sans any help what so ever is simply delusional. And I have to agree with hugh b's point that we will always be in turmoil for the fact that we've bred adults to believe compromises - disliking any portion of an agreement - should not be made because it makes one look weak or they have the idea someone won't like them for agreeing to something that isn't 100% what one might want.

      • 1 vote
      #2.2 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:14 PM EST
      hugh b

      Jmethesad, thanks for the comprehension thing, good job

      Dog Blue, lol, keep proving the point about how so many are incapable of understanding even the simplest of concepts...

        #2.3 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:21 AM EST
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        Mike-1499840

        What did they do to hurt you?

        Liberals advocate the continuing criminal act of armed robbery writ large, by the US Government.

        BTW...conservative/Republican freed the slaves & promoted, passed and supported the civil rights act and voting for blacks. BTW, no such thing as African American as a descriptor of race. Africa is a continent and not all natives of that continent are black.

        • 5 votes
        Reply#3 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:37 PM EST
        Agent 57

        BTW...conservative/Republican freed the slaves & promoted, passed and supported the civil rights act and voting for blacks.

        wrong.. moderate republican and moderate democrats did both of those conservatives in both parties did not...

        • 1 vote
        #3.1 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 2:31 PM EST
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        sjayne2355

        Obvious fantasy or made for TV...

        • 2 votes
        Reply#4 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:47 PM EST
        Chris-382117

        M. Barrett Miller,

        What did liberals do that was so offensive

        It isn't just to Republicans but also to anyone that believe that a Nanny State is not the way to go that "liberals" have offended. You shove forward like some shield of honor the accomplishments of the "liberals" yet you conveniently omit other "not so successful" experiments that you tried. Here is just a few to think about:

        The Versailles Treaty ending WWI and the repartitioning of the defunct Ottoman Empire that was presided over by the grandfather of the "progressive" movement; Woodrow Wilson. His "Holier than tho" meddling effectively guaranteed war in the middle east. Try reading "1919: six months that changed the world," and then follow it with "A Peace to end all Peace." And, if that wasn't enough, he signed into law the Federal Reserve Act that will, because of no effective restraints on fiat currency, will eventually be the destruction of the world's economic systems.

        You tout Lyndon Johnson's Great Society as the be all and end all of programs. Yet, you do know that it was modeled after the David Lloyd George programs that worked so well for the UK. Even Henry Morganthau, Jr. cautioned about the excesses of government intervention in the assistance to the population at large. When he went before congress in 1934 to ask for money to assist the victims of the Dust Bowl and Great Depression, he warned them not to be too generous saying that it "would remove their desire to work toward the betterment of their situation and create a condition not unlike economic slavery." Unfortunately, Johnson and the Great Society progressives failed to heed his warnings. Johnson evidently never understood what surface material is used when paving the Road to Hell.

        I am a Libertarian (not a Ron Paul version) that believes in responsibility and accountability for all; rich and poor alike.The difference that I see between the "liberals" and the Libertarian concepts I hold dear is an issue of convictions and moral beliefs. I, and most libertarians I know believe that most people are by nature good and will do what is "right" simply because it is the right thing to do without any prodding from anyone else. We also believe in personal accountability and responsibility.

        When I joined the Marine Corps, I was taught the 3 fundamental requirements of being a Marine; Honor, Courage and Commitment. They were explained as follows:

        Honor - Doing what is Right solely because it is the Right thing to do.

        Courage - Once you have decide what is "Right" you do it; even if it isn't popular with others or profitable to you.

        Commitment - Once you have the first two nailed down, you follow the course until you have completed that which is the right thing to do.

        As a Freemason, there is not much difference in the way we approach things. I personally believe that, one day I will be required to stand before the Grand Architect of the Universe and give an accounting for what I have done on this earth. I don't think there is much that he has missed and I don't want the interrogation to last too long.

        But the Liberals that I know both here on the vine and in person have a completely different outlook as best I can determine. They believe that they are the only ones that know what "right " is; that people are by nature bad, evil, untrustworthy, and must have someone to outline in detail the liberal version of "right" for them. And finally, there must be some all powerful agency or government with power of rack and thumbscrew to enforce this version of "right" upon the masses. After all, we are mere mortals and are incapable of making decisions regarding personal responsibility, accountability, or morality for ourselves; we must be lead by Adam Weishaupt and the Bavarian Illuminati, the "Epicurean Intelligentsia" or their direct genetic descendants.

        That is what I find most distasteful about the liberal concept; that I am unable to make decisions for myself because I am not "enlightened" enough to know what is "Right or wrong" with respect to what you and yours consider to be right. I am a Principle Engineer for a major company, I have been an Electrical and Mechanical Engineer for over 35 years, and hold 2 engineering degrees and an MBA; I didn't fall off the back of the turnip truck last night. But, according to many of the liberals on the vine like yourself, we must all be some genetically mutated throw back to the neanderthal branch of human evolution because we don't agree with you regarding the overall control of society. Personally, I know when to bath, shave, and how to put out my clothes for work and do not need Hobson to do it for me. I have not needed a baby sitter for over 55 years; my name is not Arthur Bach. I must ask, however, is yours?

        That is why, to me the term "Liberal" has become a pejorative. It is not that you don't want to do good. It is not that you don't have some good ideas, It is that you consider yourselves to be the "only ones" that are capable of making decisions as you are the only "enlightened ones" and everyone else that does not agree with you is either stupid, evil, uneducated, or "Trailer Trash." It is the pomposity that exudes from every post that subliminally states "We are the enlightened. We know what is best for you. So, just sit down, shut up, and do what we say." I hate to have to break it to you, but I am quite capable of making decisions for myself. I served with the 3rd Marines in Quang Tri and Thua Thien Provinces of Vietnam. My late wife and I raised 2 children and now I have 4 Grandchildren. I've been a successful engineer, teacher, and flight instructor of over 35 years, so I really don't need the "liberal guidance" to do the right thing. I am quite capable of making those decisions myself, thank you.

        • 8 votes
        Reply#5 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:54 PM EST
        mrsrachelm

        /applaud!

        • 2 votes
        #5.1 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:55 AM EST
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        M.Barrett Miller

        Wow-some mighty interesting reactions to a Mr. O'Donnell's script for a fictional President....seems that the words still touch some chords. Thats good, we can all profit from the wisdom of others...

        • 1 vote
        Reply#6 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:15 AM EST
        M.Barrett Miller

        Wow-some mighty interesting reactions to a Mr. O'Donnell's script for a fictional President....seems that the words still touch some chords. Thats good, we can all profit from the wisdom of others...thanks

          Reply#7 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:32 PM EST
          Susan Anthony

          I am proud to be a Liberal. I am proud that I do not have to lie, cheat, steal, abuse, murder, enslave others, prostitute, gamble to earn a living or to feel good about myself like neocons.

            Reply#8 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:05 AM EST
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